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    February 15, 2009

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    Janet

    I will be interested to hear your experiences getting in and out of Brazil with a dual-citizenship baby.

    I am a dual citizen (born in Brazil of American parents) and when I arrived in Brazil with my American husband a few years ago, he was in the "foreigner" immigration line that took forever, while I breezed into Brazil in the "Welcome home" line.

    I'm guessing it will now be very quick for you to enter Brazil because the baby will be Brazilian, and, as his parents, you'll naturally have to accompany him in that express line. :)

    p.s. I lived in Belo Horizonte, but love to hear your stories of life in Rio.

    Daily Rio Life

    Ooooh quick lineups sound good!

    Corinne

    For us both passports were pretty easy. I can´t remember which we did first, but we took Kevin to the US consulate with all the accompanying documentation and got the record of birth abroad and passport within a couple of weeks in the mail. We did this all in early March and travelled to the US in early June. The Brazilian passport was also easy - but both parents need to go. I think it took only a week to get. Thehardest part when they are this young is getting the photos, since the kid cannot sit up and you can´t be in the photo. We had to retake the one we took for the US passport. We did it at a real photographer studio (instead of a booth) and it made all the difference. There was a good one just down the street from the US consultate. Also, the validity of the Brazilian passport changes with the age of the kid 0-1 year - good for 1 year. 1-2 years, good for 2 years, 2-3 years good for three years, 3 years and up, good for 5 years.

    We flew with Kevin when he was about 7 months and he did just fine.

    Emily

    I first flew when I was 6 weeks old, from California to England. I've been told that I was pretty calm on that and all subsequent flights as a little kid (I was a pretty relaxed kid in general)...and my parents' secret weapon if I did get fussy was just the tiniest bit of brandy mixed into my bottle. As far as I can tell, there have been no lasting damages :)

    The upside of having flown essentially from birth is that as a toddler and child, I knew the drill and was used to it, so I was perfectly happy to be there as opposed to your average 5 year old who's going on a plane for the first time and would like to go home now, please.

    GingerV

    Go home and have the baby, bring her/him ( do you know which?) back at three months on a Canadian passport. Check it out but I think it is correct, if with a Brasilian passport you have to carry approved travel papers, where the father gives you permission to travel with the baby, even if going to Friburgo by bus....

    Typ0

    I've never traveled with babies so i can't help. But i believe that expatwomen.com recently posted a long article written by a former stewardess who adresses this issue. :) I can try to find the link if you want. :)

    Daily Rio Life

    Thanks everyone

    Corinne your timeline sounds similar to what we want to do (travel when baby is about 3 months old). Good to know about the passport update rules too!

    Emily - wow that is young for such a long flight! But good to know that it can be done. Most of what I've been reading does say if you must, go ahead before 3 months but that if you can wait it is better to. I agree, getting kids acclimatized to many things (Flying, water, etc.) from a young age makes a big difference later on.

    Ginger - No, we don't know if it is a boy or a girl and we are currently set on having it here! Any specific reason you recommend going home? Personally I have a lot more faith in the healthcare system here than in Canada... Good to know about the travelling thing! Wow Brazilians sure like us to carry a lot of paperwork (and to keep all those lawyers and notaries "busy")...

    Daily Rio Life

    Typ0 - oooh I will have to check that out!

    Corinne

    If you travel domestically, you do not need travel papers for the child. Any child up to 12 years of age can travel with original ID (birth certificate, passport) as long as s/he is with an immediate relative (mother, father, aunt, uncle, and I think grandparent). If they are travelling with someone they are not related to, then you need an authorization from the parents (easily done at any cartorio or even the bus station). It gets tricky travelling internationally - there must be a judicial authorization from the both parents for the child to travel (even if travelling with one of the parents). Again, not difficult to get, I think they do it at the Policia Federal (I will know soon enough, as I may be traveling Stateside without hubby in July).

    I had a friend who went back to the US to have her baby while her hubby was on a foreign assignment, but that had more to do with the fact that she still had her US health insurance and did not feel comfortable enough with the language. Her husband was able to be with her Stateside for more than a month, so it worked out.

    I had no problems having Kevin here and think that it is best to have the continuity of the same OB throughout the pregnancy and birth, rather than have a practica stranger helping you deliver (not to mention the whole flying in the 3rd trimester problems.

    Lisa

    Try this for tips on flying -
    http://tiny.cc/zXnNd
    I have flown from Canada to Europe with 2-month-old babies and kids, usually 5 of them, for years. The best thing for flying was breastfeeding.
    I would avoid changing seats as mentioned here, as you would not have the help of your husband, you cannot snuggle into your own seat and snooze during and afterwards and you might be sitting upright on a hard seat with no sides. I know with a first baby you might feel self-conscious. A pashmina or shawl will help cover. In fact shawls are great for anyone as they are so versatile for warmth and privacy.

    From the above site -
    If you are breastfeeding, you should have no problems however you might want some privacy to feed the baby. Some aircraft have a small area for the flight attendants to rest with a curtain for privacy. You might be allowed to use this area for feeding baby. The altitude should not effect your ability to breastfeed your baby and of course your baby will relax and sleep better for the journey!
    g. During TAKE-OFF and LANDING and any time that air-pressure is changed within the aircraft, you should try to time a feeding for the baby. Breastfeeding or Feeding a bottle to the baby will make the baby swallow - and release any build up of PRESSURE in the babies ears (the classic 'popping' in your ears). Please try hard to make sure that your baby does take milk (breastfeeding or bottle) during take-off and landing, an alternative (but not as good) is to try a pacifier which tie baby will suck on to again release any pressure in the ears.

    Canarioca

    Be prepared for Pavlovian hoop jumping. You will have to get a Brazilian birth certificate within 5 days of birth.Actually Mr DRL will have to do that.Then you can get a Brazilian passport for the baby. If I remember correctly, I travelled with my baby to Canada and he was on a visa. When we were in Canada, I filed for a citizenship certificate so I could get him a Canadian passport. Things may have changed in 12 years, but thats how i did it.Be aware that the Canadian government wants to pass a law that will not allow your child born abroad to pass his Canadian nationality to his or her child if they are born outside of Canada too...Its in the House of Commons and I am following it closely because my son was born in Brazil.
    hope this helps!!

    Daily Rio Life

    Corinne - I agree, which is why the baby will be born here. I am almost at that too far along to make the flight home part by now
    anyway! I think it's best for everyone if my husband and I are together the whole time and I am confident in the healthcare I'm receiving here, as I mentioned.

    Lisa - I've heard this before about feeding, thanks for the link. I have heard that the airlines no longer allow women to nurse during takeoff and taxi, but bottle feeding is allowed? Anyone know more about this? Or with regards to specific airlines?

    Canarioca - after speaking personally with the representatives from the consulate last week, it seems that things have changed in the past 12 years, unless it is just different for you because the father of your son is Brazilian, right? Maybe that makes a difference? Yes we are aware of the new law and it could potentially make things tricky for our child down the road but I definitely see why that law is potentially coming down the pipe... it is unfortunate how people try and milk the system.

    Canarioca

    My son's dad is Brazilian, so maybe there are a few things that are different(12 years is a long time)I am following the David Goldman case because it could set a precedence in international custody battles.The thought of something like that happening to me if i send my kids to Brazil to visit their dad, and his evil wife decides to pull a JPLS.
    One thing I know is that with a Brazilian passport, your child will always have to have parental permission to leave Brazil until he/she is 18.
    When is your due date??? Did you ever think of having baby in Canada?
    I totally understand why the govenrment is wanting to change the law, unfortunately there are too many people wanting to be Canadians of convenience..

    Daily Rio Life

    Yes it could definitely be either thing (difference in paternal citizenship, or change of policy) that make the difference.

    What a scary thought in terms of custody. My god what that poor man has been through.

    I am due May 9th.

    I thought about having the baby in Canada for about an hour. There are many reasons not to and I think I will just do a blog post on that right now as I have had a number of inquiries about it...

    Corinne

    DRL,

    I breastfed on taxi and take-off on all the flights international and in the US when we went in 2007 (Kevin was 7 months old). We flew American. No one stopped me and I am really oblivious to dirty looks (if there were any), seeing as how I got used to breastfeeding being totally ok EVERYWHERE here in Brazil. It helped a lot, but my son loves flying and even now (at 2) does not seem to have any discomfort on taxi and takeoff.

    I had to fill out massive paperwork at the US consulate to demonstrate I had lived a significant portion of my life in the US (not easy to document all international travel for a globetrotter like me), because, since my husband is Brazilian, there are different rules about registering the birth abroad when only one parent is a US citizen. Sounds like the rules are similiar for Canada. This should not be a problem for you, but could be a problem for your grandkids if your baby lives most of his life outside of Canada.

    Anonymous

    I flew with my twins at 3 months - from England to Winnipeg to Brazil (with a few weeks in Winnipeg). It was relatively 'tranquilo'.Gets worse when they are older.
    Try to reserve the bulkhead seats in the airplane, they have a builtin crib. Also breastfeeding is better for the health of the baby, the airplane air is very full of germs. But certainly you can carry on empty baby bottles, and formula to make milk, at least we did.

    Daily Rio Life

    3 months is definitely the consensus. Thanks so much!

    Mark

    Look carefully at your baby's Brazilian passport, specifically, the expiration date. Apparently, up to a certain age (I don't know what age that is yet) they are issued as good for only 1 year. We were on our second trip back to the US and were surprised to find that the Brazilian passport used on the first trip was already expiring. So if you are already looking forward to more international travel, you will have to be aware of this.

    Daily Rio Life

    I've heard this before but good information to share for sure. On one hand it seems more realistic as the baby changes so much, seems ridiculous to use a photo of a newborn to identify a four year old, but then this system requires a LOT of time at the federal police!

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